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Please Don’t Label Me
November 23rd, 2009 by Andrew Drapper
EVOLUTION OUT OF SCHOOLS

The British Humanist Association are running another ad campaign.

Please don’t label me

British Humanist Association real Ad

The British Humanist Association, (BHA) is promoting this campaign as being against ‘labelling children’. They talk about labelling children as being ‘divisive’, they say it leads to ‘segregation’, it apparently ‘restricts learning about other beliefs’ and ‘creates negative attitudes to other people’s beliefs’. (Not that the BHA is normally averse to ‘creating negative attitudes to other people’s beliefs’ when they want to!)

The advert’s slogan says: “Please don’t label me. Let me grow up and choose for myself.” They talk about not labelling children, and it all sounds very good, no one want children ‘labelled’ do they? But the underlying massage of the campaign is not about labels, but teaching! “Let me grow up and choose for myself” is about not being lead into a faith, not about not being labelled with a faith name.

Richard Dawkins (Vice President of the BHA, President of RDFRS, and co-sponsor of the campaign) says that,

“We urgently need to raise consciousnesses on this issue. Nobody would seriously describe a tiny child as a ‘Marxist child’ or an ‘Anarchist child’ or a ‘Post-modernist child’. Yet children are routinely labelled with the religion of their parents. We need to encourage people to think carefully before labelling any child too young to know their own opinions and our adverts will help to do that.”
Richard Dawkins

We too, Mr Dawkins, have trouble with labels. We do not really know what to call ourselves these days. The church has strayed so far from the Bible and the teaching of Jesus, and the apostles, that the term ‘Christian’ is almost useless, ‘Evangelical Christian’ used to mean sound biblical believer, but I am told now that many evangelicals including the Evangelical Alliance have moved toward theistic evolutionism. Baptist would have been a sound denomination to stand with a few years ago, but they too seem to have abandoned creation and much of the Bible’s  authority.  But it is not labels that are really being attacked.

It is a battle for the right to train the next generation that is being engaged here.

Atheists and evolutionist, humanists, have taken over almost all of the state education system and are now pushing for the right to stop the few parents who put their children into faith schools or home educate them from having the right to teach them the moral code or beliefs that they hold dear.

Richard Dawkins further compounds my belief that what he is talking about is training or teaching children when he says that,

“labelling children as “religious” is a form of brainwashing.”
Richard Dawkins

Mr Dawkins care and concern that children are not brainwashed is, in my mind, somewhat hypercritical when you remember that he is a financial and moral supporter of  the children’s summer camp for atheists that were run this summer by Samantha Stein. These camps certainly were not intended to give people a balanced view on the teachings of evolutionist and creationist, nor do I believe they had a creation scientist in attendance to show how much of the evidence, that evolutionists claim can only be interpreted though Darwinian evolution, actually fit the biblical record like a glove. Though they claimed to teach critical thinking, from the little that has been in the press about them they very much misrepresented the teachings of the Bible.

The same could be said about many school text book they are more about promoting an opinion, (evolution), and supporting it than about presenting science and evidence.

LIES OUT OF TEXT BOOKS

Comedy writer Ariane Sherine, also wants children to have the freedom to make their own minds up about what they believe. She says,

“I hope this poster campaign will encourage the government, media, and public to see children as individuals, free to make their own choices, and accord them the liberty and respect they deserve.”

Ariane Sherine

I would like to raise a few questions

  1. Who is to teach children? Why does Mr Dawkins or Ariane Sherine believe that they have more right to say how my children are brought up than I do?
  2. Do Mr Dawkins or Ariane Sherine believe that it is possible for children to be brought up in a truly neutral way that will give them true freedom of choose?
  3. Who is going to defend the child’s right to be brought up by their parents, to be rooted in the culture and faith of their parents? Who is to say that a child wants to be brought up as an atheist or a humanist?
  4. Are there other things that children must not be taught, but must chose for themselves. What about taking drugs, saying please, obeying the law, respecting other people and their property?
  5. If children are to be given freedom to choose, should they be given a good clear understanding of Intelligent Design in school science classes? For choice without a clear presentation of the options in not a real choice at all. Choice must consist of the mental process of  judging the merits of several options.
  6. Do the BHA believe that TV producers and presenters, Magazine editors, the Pop industry, the Fashion industry, not to mention the Gay lobby or the Sexual liberationists are going to stop trying to influence children?

May be there are other things that we should be protecting children from?

SEX ED OUT OF SCHOOLS poster

This Ad “SEX ED OUT OF SCHOOLS” and “LIES OUT OF TEXT BOOKS” and the top ad
“EVOLUTION OUT OF SCHOOLS” are not the ads that the BHA are running, but if they care for children
then maybe they should sponsor these too.

The Bloger, Dave Cross, gives us a little insight into the attitude that many humanist have toward the Bible or other faiths. He says,

“I firmly believe that the majority of religious people only have those beliefs because they were indoctrinated as children. If people decide to follow a religion when they are old enough to make up their own mind then of course I have no objections to that. But forcing children to believe the same fairy stories as their parents is clearly wrong and should be stopped.”

Dave Cross

Well Dave you are entitled to your beliefs, just as you graciously let me have mine, but the science actually says that children are predisposed to believe in God, so it is probably the humanist children who are following the teaching of the humanist adults more so than the children of Christians. But what we see from Mr Cross’ writing is that he would give the teaching of the Bible little opportunity to be believed by children if he was in charge of what children were taught. The twisted and propagandist language used by Mr Dawkins also give me little trust that he would have children or anyone given a true and balanced opportunity to make their own mind up.

Graham Coyle, a teacher and national team leader at the Christian Schools Trust, which represents 43 independent schools, questioned what the BHA was asking parents to do.

“They seem to be saying that they don’t want parents to pass on to their children their fundamental beliefs – about what is right and wrong, about respect for other people and living in harmony,”

“If that is what they are saying then they are asking parents to abrogate their responsibilities. And if parents don’t pass on these beliefs who is going to fill the vacuum?

“To say that we are labelling our children by passing on our fundamental values is mistaken.”

“If a humanist says to his child ‘I don’t believe in God’ then he is making a statement and passing on that belief.”

Graham Coyle

Ironically the happy smiling children that the BHA have chosen to represent the epitamy of a carefree and happy childhood are both the children of an evangelical Christian. Charlotte, 8, and Ollie, 7, are from one of the UK’s most devout Christian families. Their father, Brad Mason, is something of a celebrity within evangelical circles as the drummer for the popular Christian musician Noel Richards. It would appear from their father’s comments on this ad campaign that both Charlotte and Ollie have their own belief in Jesus and yet they are being used to suggest that children can not believe.

I put my faith in Jesus aged 6, most of my children have also made a decision, un-pressured, and un-solicited,to follow Jesus at a young age.

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9 Responses  
Bruce writes:
May 19th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

Good answer Mr. Drapper. The more we as Christian parents try to force or manipulate our children into our belief system the further we are getting from God. Jesus said, “Come unto Me.” It was not an order, but a plea. We as Christians do have a God given obligation to share our faith with our children, however if our sample does not live up to our sermon, our children will be the first to show it by their rejection of our faith. Help us Lord to be the loving example that You need us to be. Give us wisdom, understanding, conviction and love to reach our own young people with the Gospel, in Jesus’s name we pray.

    Andrew Drapper writes:
    May 19th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Thanks Bruce,

    Yes we must not force our faith on our children, but we are told to “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.’ Proverbs 22:6.

    Train here has the idea of shaping a plant say a tree or a rose that you hold into place when young with no strain and then letter it will stay there. But try latter to shape an old tree and you are in for a hard time.

    Train up a child in the way he should go.

John Angel writes:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 pm

Good answer Mr. Drapper. The more we as Christian parents try to force or manipulate our children into our belief system the further we are getting from God. Jesus said, “Come unto Me.” It was not an order, but a plea. We as Christians do have a God given obligation to share our faith with our children, however if our sample does not live up to our sermon, our children will be the first to show it by their rejection of our faith. Help us Lord to be the loving example that You need us to be. Give us wisdom, understanding, conviction and love to reach our own young people with the Gospel, in Jesus’s name we pray.

    RedBarchetta writes:
    December 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Andrew Drapper wrote: “I put my faith in Jesus aged 6, most of my children have also made a decision, un-pressured, and un-solicited,to follow Jesus at a young age.”
    Six? Yeah, right, because six year olds really do have enough of a world view to realise what “faith” is. Expecting kids to make such big decisions at such an early age is ridiculous. All they’ll want to do at that age is pretty much exactly what their parents do, and it’s not until they become, say, a teenager (and maybe have that ‘rebel’ phase…) that they can actually start to make grown up decisions of their own. “Un-pressured”? So, you just wandered into church on your own and found Jesus did you? Gaining a faith of any denomination at six is pure indoctrination whatever way you look at it.

      Andrew Drapper writes:
      December 8th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

      Christianity at it’s heart is having a relationship with God and having a love for him. A child of six is more than able to know that he or she likes something or not. A six year old can express love. If as a teen children go through that “rebel” phase, then I guess you win. I and tens of thousands of adult still love God.

      My children are free now and as they grow up to choose.

      I teach my children to clean their teeth, take a bath and that God is great. They can choose what they do as they wish. There are plenty of people who will tell them there is not god and will teach them about evolution. What are you worried about. Very few will teach them to love God.

      As Christians, even if there is not god, they will probably not steal or get drunk, will not get into drugs or other antisocial behaviour.

      What harm, does it do to you if they believe in God?

RedBarchetta writes:
November 24th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

“1.Who is to teach children? Why does Mr Dawkins or Ariane Sherine believe that they have more right to say how my children are brought up than I do?”
We have a perfecty god state education system which teaches kids reading, writing, arithmetic etc. Schools are not “bringing them up” – parents do that. Schools just educate.

“2.Do Mr Dawkins or Ariane Sherine believe that it is possible for children to be brought up in a truly neutral way that will give them true freedom of choose?”
Yes that’s the whole point of the humanist cause. Neutral means without religion. Without Christianity or Hinduism or Islam or whatever. Obviously they are aware such things exist but none of them are drilled into the kids.

“3.Who is going to defend the child’s right to be brought up by their parents, to be rooted in the culture and faith of their parents? Who is to say that a child wants to be brought up as an atheist or a humanist?”
Considering your belief in Creationism is a radical religious thing, shared by a small minority of even Christians, and which flies in the face of every shred of evidence, fact and indeed common sense, your standpoint in asking such a question is rather shaky to say the least.

“4.Are there other things that children must not be taught, but must chose for themselves. What about taking drugs, saying please, obeying the law, respecting other people and their property?”
Yes of course and it turns out that kids can be taught morals, judgement, manners and respect perfectly well outside of a religious framework. That’s called ‘good parenting. It’s dead easy.

“5.If children are to be given freedom to choose, should they be given a good clear understanding of Intelligent Design in school science classes?”
No, because as has been illustated hundreds of times and even proved in law ID is NOT science. It’s religious legend. And anyway if we were to pick one religious legend to teach them there’s plenty more round the globe which make a lot more sense than the Christian Creation myth, so why that one? When it comes to proper science there’s only one system which now makes any sense and of course that’s good old evolution.

“6.Do the BHA believe that TV producers and presenters, Magazine editors, the Pop industry, the Fashion industry, not to mention the Gay lobby or the Sexual liberationists are going to stop trying to influence children?”
Goes back to parenting. I can stop protect my kids from truly bad influences in just the same way you can Andrew. Your judgement about gays and sexual liberation is of course clouded by the ancient rantings of your holy book. Fortunately us humanists can judge such influnces neutrally and decide for iurselves what is actually good and what is bad.

Ruth Drapper writes:
November 24th, 2009 at 7:31 am

I was just doing some research and found this about Noel Richards, the singer that Brad Mason (the children in the advert’s dad) is the Drummer for. Thought it was interesting.
“Noel Richards is Welsh. He was born in Llantrisant near Cardiff.[2] When he was eight or nine years old, he became a Christian.”

Have a great day.

Jonathan Poulton writes:
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:24 pm

Excellent post Andrew. However, can you honestly say that your children’s decision for Jesus was “un-pressured and unsolicited”? Didn’t you teach them that there was a penalty for not believing? Isn’t that pressure? And haven’t you exhorted them to repent? Isn’t that solicitation? Both are Biblical and patterned by God (“He calls all men everywhere to repent” – Acts 17:30) so why fight shy of acknowledging that we actively seek to influence our children accordingly. I would add just one corollary – as much as we might seek to influence our children for Christ, it is ultimately only the Holy Spirit that can convict of sin and give life to their spirit.

    Andrew Drapper writes:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Yes we certainly have taught our children about heaven and hell, although quite frankly it is not something that come up much in our normal family life or devotion. And yes we probably should exhort our children to repent, but no I probably haven’t. As you say, it is the Holy Spirit that convicts, not us. If I pressure my children into following, they will probably fall away when I stop being that influence, if the Holy Spirit convicts, then I am not needed. It is eternity I am interested in not getting notches on my belt for decisions from my children.

    What I mean by un-pressured and unsolicited, is that they have come to us saying that they want to follow Jesus, we have not called for them to make a ‘commitment tonight for the Lord’.

    God bless you.

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